Forest BB

chombee

Just recently PMed Chris some hot Nielsen action regarding the scrolliness debate:

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/scrolling-attention.html

P.S. best thread in ages

chombee

Also kind of a dynamic/static combo: http://www.picturehouses.co.uk/cinema/Cameo_Picturehouse/ http://www.filmhousecinema.com/ Cameo and Filmhouse are kind of similar to forest in that they have 'events' (in their cases, films). If you went for Gareth's mockup or something like it (it's about mid-wa...

chombee

Minutes are up: http://www.theforest.org.uk/bb/viewtopi ... =15&t=7433

chombee

Present: Scout (facilitating), Stevie (had to leave part-way). Lynne (had to leave part-way), Alex (arrived part-way) Timo (sp?), Gio (sp?), Milk, Joachim, Gareth, David, Chris, Chombee, Jane, Shannon. Did I miss anyone? What we decided in the end: Chris' tumblr website (http://forestcafe.tumblr.co...

chombee

I propose a poll, who thinks the forest website should be like the bb? Or, who thinks the bb is simple and easy to use? This bb has approximately 40 subforums arranged into a dozen or so groups, if you want to get back to some post you read before it's impossible to find it, and if you want to post ...

chombee

we can make Drupal have a blog as easy to use a tumblr and have multiple personages posting content to it. I know, you've been saying this. Frankly, prove it. The drupal camp can go away and implement these promises now, when it's working just right and looking cool then come back and show it. Conv...

chombee

Lets discuss it at the meeting.

chombee

Hey, I think there might be another type of compromise worth discussing. While none of us are interested in compromising on website visions and doing design by committee etc., it may not need to be a binary choice between tumblr and drupal. For example there's discussion in another thread about maki...

chombee

I agree. I have some thoughts about an agenda. The meeting has the potential to get sidetracked and to be a long debate with no resolution at the end. Therefore, I propose (hopefully without reopening a can of worms here) to head off certain potential discussions before-hand: 1. I don't think we sho...

chombee

So who's gonna facilitate?

chombee

Yes, this week please. I'm going to try to come to this despite having to submit my Phd thesis very soon. The longer until the meeting the closer it will be to my deadline and the more likely I will not show. (That said, me not showing is a possibility at any time, I may just be collapsed in a gibbe...

chombee

Seriously, I'm glad we're going to have a meeting about this. We clearly do need one, because a number of different solutions have been suggested and different people have expressed preference for different solutions, so it won't do for drupal to just steamroller the tumblr camp because 'we don't ne...

chombee

I would like to put this web team into a git repository! Ha ha ha! Naah, only joking

(Rushed home to get to that joke before Swithun.)

chombee

No, it's not vulnerable to a dictionary attack.

chombee

I don't think I'm gonna vote in the poll. I'm not sure how the results of the poll will help us, and forest doesn't make decisions by polls or by majority. The poll is useful in that it sets out a number of possible solutions though. It doesn't look like the two camps are going to see eye to eye on ...

chombee

Another possible compromise might be to set a deadline (I'd suggest 1st June, giving over 2.5 months) to work on Drupal. We'll look at it again in June and if it has the front pages idea and the simple nice-looking blog and pages then I'd probably be happy with it. After that you could take as long ...

chombee

Yeah, I remain in favour of tumblr (or equivalent, free software hosted blog service) and simple, hand-crafted HTML&CSS for front pages. Assimilating these ideas into drupal just seems to be a lot of time and effort, and I don't see drupal's additional features as a benefit. (simplicity and lots of ...

chombee

I like the skeletons page. I think it's fine just how it is, it's okay for a front page to be somewhat unclear about what it links to so long as it's unclear in a good way. I like Gareth's too if it can be brought to life, so I'm totally into the idea of having a collection of these. Give each one a...

chombee

P.S. I vote for keeping it simple, not flash-based, but do have a video and loads of images on it.

chombee

That's awesome, Gareth.

chombee

I don't much like the idea that we should all get together and try to work with drupal. I can see what you're trying to do, it's a compromise. But... 1. I just think it's nuts to do a lot of work, both design and technical, and to have Milk continuing to do a lot of technical work on drupal, and to ...

chombee

I like the idea of having a static front page that changes every now and then when different people submit different designs for it. It'd be sort of like treating the front page of our site like we treat the murals. But if we did it I think it's important that be implemented as just a static HTML fi...

chombee

Hi Milk, I think you've got it backwards. A simple blog will scale perfectly well, no matter how many posts that you add it will still remain a simple blog. A more powerful site like Drupal, on the other hand, does not scale well for an organisation like the forest. The more you add, the more differ...

chombee

P.S. I think Chris did quite a good job on his tumblr site, especially the pages that are linked to in the sidebar: volunteer, meetings etc. These contain the necessary information but are still brief and each comes with a cool photo. Nice!

chombee

An easy way to do what Jane is describing is to just make such a page as a simple HTML file. Host it on our server here at forest.org and make it the front page. Then, like Jane said, it would contain links to everything else including a link to Chris' tumblr site where people can go for the regular...

chombee

You'd be unlikely to hit anyone's password at random because the number of users is much smaller than the number of possible passwords (which is literally trillions). I think it's no different from taking a list of all our bb usernames (which is easy to get) and repeatedly pickling a random username...

chombee

I read a good idea about passwords today. It said that making people type both their username and a password is pointless typing. The username doesn't improve security any cause it's plainly visible and accessible to any observer. If the system made sure that everyone had a different password, then ...

chombee

Hey, so I was gonna start recycling The Epoch Times whenever they leave a stack of them at the forest, and send them an email asking them to go away, on account of their paper is full of bullshit/makes us look stupid/I don't think we should be helping them. They never speak to us or ask if we want t...

chombee

Are the iMacs running OS X right now? Having tried installing linux on an old mac before (I think it was a G3, not an imac) I don't recommend it. The problem seemed to be that old macs are a different processor architecture from PCs (called PowerPC I think), and since not very many people try to run...

chombee

How does access to the action room currently work? If you don't want these machines to end up fucked like the last batch did, we need to lock it down.

chombee

Freecycle.

chombee

I think we can stick with Drupal. A lot of work has gone into it, it's up there on our own server and it's working, and I'm sure what you say about it being a good system is true. But I do think we need to cut down and simplify what we're doing with Drupal, and use it more like you would use a simpl...

chombee

That's not true about the default install of Ubuntu, by default it puts both the OS and the homedirs on one big partition. It's a very good idea to choose to put them on separate partitions instead. No idea how our machines are partitioned but Adam should be able to find out very easily, just boot s...

chombee

Ok, so, what's working about the new site: * Basic introduction to the forest. Static information such as what, why and where we are, what you need to do to come and perform, volunteer, etc. Link to the bb. * Lots of new items appearing on the front page, of all sorts of different types, keeping the...

chombee

Quote the facebook page we currently link to "Sign up for Facebook to join The Forest"

chombee

I think since we don't see eye to eye on this then using both identica and twitter via this bridge is the best compromise, and already setup. Am I right in thinking that it works automatically, so that whenever you post to twitter or identica by any means it gets synced to the other one? I've also h...

chombee

I admit self-hosting has its advantages, particularly that it won't cost people anything to add lots of photos because we already pay for the hosting. Main reason I'm banging on about 23 is not necessarily that it's better than all the other photosharing sites out there, but just because 23 is one g...

chombee

I think we have a history of failing to maintain and look after a self-hosted image gallery, and also that only a few have ever had an account on our site and use it to add content including photos. I just think it's easier to let someone else do the work of hosting it.

chombee

30 photos per month per person, or you pay 17 euros and get unlimited uploads for a year. The forest page is a photogroup, any number of people can join it and add photos, the group has no limits.

chombee

There's an easier way to do this, the forest already has a (free) photogroup on 23hq. Just add more photos to that. No need to host photos and maintain photo gallery software ourselves. Then paste a 23hq badge such as this one onto the front page of theforest.org.uk: http://seanh.freeshell.org/23hqf...

chombee

I was going to create an identica account for us but I found that one already exists and has our tweets so far copied to it: http://identi.ca/theforest Neil, I don't understand what you're saying with the less talk more action. What I'm trying to do is to convince Milk that we should switch from Twi...

chombee

On the iMac? You may as well back it up before wiping it, no harm in more backups, but it only has a really old and partial copy of our music, me and Erik got everything off there and onto the external hard drive that's now connected to the laptop jukebox, and we also backed it up onto DVD at least ...

chombee

1. Do we want to support people to maintain blogs on the site? No. What we should do is maintain a list of links to sites of individuals and groups that are involved at the forest. Pruning the list and finding new stuff to add to it should be a volunteer role for a specific person(s), don't let it ...

chombee

Actually security by obscurity means something slightly different. Agree with Neil on this, I think we want simplicity all the way.

chombee

The forest site is really in need of new life, things like http://oldhatbooks.wordpress.com/ (just beautiful, the simplicity! and it's hosted on wordpress.cm so they don't need to do all the work themselves), http://www.forestfringe.co.uk/, http://resonancefm.com/ and http://www.thebowery.org.uk/ ar...

chombee

Sorry I can't actually be much help on this (maybe in a few weeks time) but apparently identica can relay updates to twitter and facebook: http://mdzlog.alcor.net/?p=411

chombee

The other thing about microblogging is it gives us somewhere to post all sorts of relatively inconsequential notifications without making a mess of the front page of our main site, which we want to keep for big beautiful posters and photographs and other important things.

chombee

I can see a microblogging account being useful. By far the most likely outcome is it gets ignored and never used. But it could be put to good use. For example if we have a big event that has a poster and lots of words, well obviously we want to put a full size blog post about it on our website. But ...

chombee

http://identi.ca/, surely.

chombee

why don inventors put little water wheels in toilets so every time you pee or flush you generate electricity? Because electricity generated in this way would be disgusting . P.S. you could also generate a short burst of electricity for each plop although this is stretching the definition of "water ...

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