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Postby ravanwin » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:30 pm

also - let's not forget couches. anyone wanna take the lead on this?

also - what do we think about dried flowers? last longer more ethical? kind of rustic? richold suggested. Former bucket lamp front of houser. I want the cafe to start looking good again. it has become depressing. money is no object, that's my vote. (not that we vote but - you know -)

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Postby chris » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:52 pm

fresh flowers. but maintained.

dried flowers, have an air of stale death about them.

in my view

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Postby Gandhi » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:53 pm

i agree with chris.
Dried flowers remind me of grannies houses....not nice grannies either. EVIL GRANNIES
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Postby chombee » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:41 pm

I've had it with you. If I had an image of a laser gun I would absolutely position it right here in my hand...
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Postby Gandhi » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:14 pm

What about bringing back the voting buttons?

e.g.
no paid cleaners - [tick box]
paid cleaners- [tick box]
paid cleaners 3 month trial-[tick box]

it may help give a clear picture of what everyones overall view is.

just an idea.
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Postby ravanwin » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:21 pm

chombee: "crazy for consensus!"

ryan: "coo coo for coco puffs."

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Postby Shannon » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:23 pm

Ugh - my rant will be longer than chombee's if I start talking about voting buttons for serious situations!

chombee makes some important points, I think. But then, I'm also 'crazy for consensus.'

Looking forward to the meeting tomorrow.

Trial cleaner run sounds like it could be a good compromise. I am into some new furniture happening, but I think money is an object. Let's talk budgets either tomorrow night or at a weekend away soon.

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Postby Gandhi » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:01 pm

It's like God's vagina!

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Postby beev » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:52 am

i realise this topic has strayed way off topic. and that's cool because the original topic was crap (sorry alex!)

i don't like this blocking vibe. in a way, people always had the power to block if they were really determined, but they generally didn't exercise it.

speaking for myself, there's been quite a few occasions in the past when i was the lone person disagreeing with something. but my respect for the others in the group meant that, after arguing my view, i was prepared to put my concerns aside and allow things to move forward.

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Postby chombee » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:52 pm

I don't think this is a case of one person blocking the group decision. The consensus process hasn't been applied to the cleaner thing yet. We have only had an open discussion about it on the bb. We'll do the consensus tonight and will have a decision.

Dan, I think it would be great to get these people in.

Beev, the point I was trying to make, I think it got lost in there, was not that we should do consensus. We already do. I think Ryan is right that we're all essentially on the same page that we a consensus process of some form or another. But that we should pay more attention to doing it more quickly and effectively without wasting time and having long drawn out discussions. We use consensus decision making but don't always pay much attention to the things that are meant to make consensus work efficiently, then we complain that we're getting stuck in long drawn-out discussions that go nowhere. Perhaps it's not surprising.

Also, I am happy with rough consensus. I wasn't meaning to insist on perfect consensus on everything. The reason I was emphasising doing the consensus process well was because I think we could make better decisions faster while causing less tension. It's not because I think we should insist on perfect consensus on everything.

I've been at forest meetings where I thought we used the consensus process well, the meeting wasn't too long, good decisions got made on tricky topics, everyone went away happy, and action was taken. I've also been at meetings that were several hours long and ended with still no decision on what to do about infoseed. I think the bad meetings tend to be the ones where there are lots of people, lots of difficult things to discuss, and we don't bother with proper facilitation, sticking to the agenda, hand signals and all that stuff.

Gandhi, what I was trying to say is that if you do consensus without faciliation etc. then it just becomes an open discussion and can wander off-topic and go nowhere. Sometimes an open discussion is good. But if you want to get decisions made fast, then you have an agenda and a facilitator whose job is to keep things on topic and keep driving the group towards consensus, and so on. My point being that I think if consensus is done well it doesn't have to take very long, but if we don't bother with proper facilitation we shouldn't blame consensus when it does.

Also, the bb is not an example of a consensus decision making process, it's an open discussion forum. That's fine but is no way to get consensus decisions made quickly. Personally I think we overuse the bb to try to come to group decisions when we should be having short-and-sweet facilitated meetings. The bb is good for an open-ended discussion and for making simple decisions, but when there are more difficult decisions to be made so that we can act on them we should have a meeting and get it done. I think we understand this already but maybe we're forgetting it a little bit.

We're always going to be inconsistent about this but I think we could try to do it better.
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Postby danny » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:36 pm

It's reassuring to hear that the mank does actually bug other people as much as it does me. Maybe, Ras and Me could volunteer to do the cleaning between us? Three days a week each? We are both in around that much anyway. What about if we did it and got a meal per shift plus bonus of a meal voucher per week for the commitment to it? Kind of like the night managers except we'd be the shite managers. We could also take responsibility for the compost and free shop, managing the amount of shite in there with the help of the sign/request ideas already suggested. I've tidied it here and there in the past, but it'd motivate me to do it more to know the work was appreciated and acknowledged. How does that work for you Ras?

Food. I'd be more than happy to get together with people who want to cook up stuff for forest as long they're not the bossy "everything has to be done this way" types. Easy recipes to start with though, don't be getting all Gordon Ramsay on my ass. I have a juicer up at the house too, so we could make smoothies too!

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Postby ravanwin » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:32 pm

firstly, i need helo shifting some couches. if anyone comes in and wants to lend a hand and carry some - that would be great.

second, any kind of regular cleaning would be great danny. part of the Forest WG decided that we didn't need to pay staff to clean up our mess and that we should find willing volunteers.

not sure where we are on that campagin but i would say that if you wanted to clean extra hard and regular like that compensation in terms of vouchers could be made availible. does anyone disagree?

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Postby milk » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:13 pm

re cleaning; how often does the café/red room floor get a proper soapy mop down? i'd like to do that at some point, although it'd take a number of hours (ipu, what a f'n state that floor is in) and would have to be done after the café was shut and there were no peeps hanging around walking back and forth.
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Postby beev » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:24 pm

just do it!

i used to clean the forest at night a lot. the place really needs that kind of love, which it hasn't been getting lately.

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Postby Shannon » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:42 am

In theory, they should get a proper mop down every Sunday. Not sure if that's been happening the last few weeks. When I was doing Sundays, I probably managed it every couple of weeks.

If we don't let people stay behind in the cafe this week it will be easier to do these jobs after hours. We did a really good sweep down a couple of weeks ago after locking everyone out...

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Postby Gaz » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:22 pm

This is an interesting article about pet-training...

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topst ... 4247417.jp
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