Thanks for the thoughts. As commented on in past and current BB discussions, the current format for our site leaves a lot to be desired and the layout is a large factor in this. As you note, a more streamlined format would be desirable, plus there are considerations to how easy it is to post items (which tbh isn't that hard currently, although the edges could be sanded down), as well as find them again in the future.
While services like tumblr are quick to setup, they don't scale when it comes to keeping things like content organisation sane, especially when there would be multiple users with varying mind/skillsets (the old Joomla site failed at this as its initial set-up conditions were less than favourable to self-organisation). Keeping our web services in-house, rather than using 3rd party companies, would be better as we would retain ultimate control over how the data is outputed.
I've been e-mailing with a number of respondents to the adverts I put up recently and meeting a few in the coming week, so I'm hoping that we can get our site changed to reflect recent thoughts on how to improve things fairly soon. A couple of worked with Drupal before, so I'm hoping we can unlock some of the fuller potential of the system as a whole.
chris wrote:the current site has been going for a couple of years, seems to be a mountain of work, requires specialist technical knowledge, and everyone seems to think it has various problems. i am impressed by the hard work the web crew have done, but i really think it would be smart to switch to this new site.. what dya reckon?
agreed. (says Mr. Chaos himself!)I don't think we should advertise ourselves as chaotic!
The more you add, the more different people with different mindsets come along and add stuff, the more of a fearsome mess the site becomes. A simple blog fixes this problem. If you give a disorganised group of people like us the power to make a mess then a mess we will make.
A simple blog will scale perfectly well, no matter how many posts that you add it will still remain a simple blog.
A more powerful site like Drupal, on the other hand, does not scale well for an organisation like the forest. The more you add, the more different people with different mindsets come along and add stuff, the more of a fearsome mess the site becomes. ... If you give a disorganised group of people like us the power to make a mess then a mess we will make.
Ultimate power and potential is exactly the antithesis of what I think the forest needs in a website
you seem to reason starting with the technical backend and then working to the end result
My question is, why does the forest need or desire a powerful content management system?
We are not the white house or warner brothers
The Drupal site is hard to use. No, I haven't tried posting to it. But I have tried to browse it. It's a labyrinth, the structure and form of which are not comprehensible to mere visitors. It is formidable and discouraging.
Blogs are simple and people are familiar with them, they are comprehensible. ... The blog as a format has been around for a very long time and is here to stay. I think it's the right format for the forest site and I don't expect to want to change it anytime soon.
milk wrote:it's a desire to redesign the site properly which is why i'm going to advertise for someone with the requisite skills and time to do a good job.
chris wrote:i do not have confidence in the current site or in bringing a new team to move things forward.
a lot of us have good design and aesthetic sense, many of us are visual artists, this should be reflected in an inspiring and exciting website. i'd like to see this happen very soon, and am happy to be involved in this process. i believe this is a realistic and good solution.
cool standalone front page is an option, stevie had a cool idea that this could be very simple, and a different web artist could design one every few months... im not so into sites with front pages, but im not closed to it.
i think this tumblr website is up to date and vibrant, and i'm happy to take on the role of "web admin" if it facilitates a transition to an awesome new site.
chris wrote:whats the new design you have in mind?
and why are you so defensive of the current site it you acknowledge it needs to be redesigned?
Maybe it would be an idea to get a simple artistic front page we like over a simple tumbler structure in an interim until the mechanics of drupal get worked out into a bug-free pretty website that is the dream? Especially if milk has a new crew coming together. This way the new team could have enough time to develop things into something everyone agrees on and adores but we still have something we can agree on in the meantime? Especially if we could get relatively quickly a good front page and then there shouldn't be much major visual turnover between the two.
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