I don't think I'm gonna vote in the poll. I'm not sure how the results of the poll will help us, and forest doesn't make decisions by polls or by majority. The poll is useful in that it sets out a number of possible solutions though. It doesn't look like the two camps are going to see eye to eye on this so a compromise is going to be needed. I suggest we all get together in a meeting, which will need a good facilitator who is not firmly in either camp, and use the options from the poll as a starting point to come to a consensus.
chombee wrote:Yeah, I remain in favour of tumblr (or equivalent, free software hosted blog service) and simple, hand-crafted HTML&CSS for front pages. Assimilating these ideas into drupal just seems to be a lot of time and effort,
chombee wrote:and I don't see drupal's additional features as a benefit.
chombee wrote:I suggest we all get together in a meeting, which will need a good facilitator who is not firmly in either camp, and use the options from the poll as a starting point to come to a consensus.
chombee wrote:I think that a lot of people have put a lot of work into it is not a good reason to keep the website around if it isn't meeting our needs.
I am still in favour of changing to tumblr in the interim until we are happy with drupal. This isn't "tearing down" anyone's anything, it's just that primping and preening is best done behind closed doors in the privacy of your bedroom mirror BEFORE showing your pretty face to the world, rather than tinkering with the live site so it comes up half-loaded, as I think was happening yesterday with the new icons. I'm not saying ditch drupal altogether, just that getting changed in public is never that classy.
joachim wrote:There's nothing Tumblr does that that the current site can't be made to do over another afternoon of me & Milk slogging at it (especially if supplied with regular top-ups of coffee and cake)
joachim wrote:A flat HTML splash page at the front is a turn-off for a site. People don't visit a site, they return to a site, and they want new stuff when they come back.
ChaoticReality wrote:Firstly, it's long a scrolly on the main page, which funnily, although correct me if I'm wrong, was a complaint about the current site.
joachim wrote:(Who was it I spoke to yesterday who knew about setting up a git repository?)
ChaoticReality wrote:Well if we are then the tumblr site needs to be fixed up.
Firstly, it's long a scrolly on the main page, which funnily, although correct me if I'm wrong, was a complaint about the current site.
ChaoticReality wrote:Secondly, huge swathes of text have been copypasted from the current site, meaning that none of the links work. They look like links, but they do nothing when you click on them, rendering half the site non-functional.
ChaoticReality wrote:You've convinced me, it's a great idea! Lets change over to a site that, while it looks pretty, is impossible to navigate around or find the info you need. That will help potential customers, right?
joachim wrote:On a more aesthetic point, I'm not sure how skeletons say The Forest. It's also going to get a bit tired after a few months, so we would need a new one of these on a fairly regular basis.
chombee wrote:Side not: Joachim, no, the table-based non-semantic HTML would not need completely rejigging. That would be missing point. It works as it is, and it looks good!
joachim wrote:You're now hitting a deeper question of 'What is the website for?'
joachim wrote: It's lousy form, it's ugly code, and it breaches the DDA to boot.
joachim wrote:The news should perhaps be actual news? The weekly programme should really be posted as individual events in the calendar, and perhaps only the events coming up in the next 7 days should get headlines on the front page (or thumbnails of the posters, if they have them).
neil wrote:Chris, maybe you should get your Tumblr site ready go go live? Milk and Joachim, maybe you guys should have one last blast at making Drupal beautiful.
neil wrote:I don't see this being resolved any other way at the moment.... and there's nothing like a bit of competition to drive up standards!
joachim wrote:I suggest people who have opinions come along and pitch in with the work.
joachim wrote:That's kinda hard in that I don't know what you mean by 'beautiful'.
Jane wrote:joachim wrote:I suggest people who have opinions come along and pitch in with the work.
But I don't know how to programme Drupal, which was my point in the first place about the designers and writers feeling excluded from the process because people have chosen to use something which we don't know how to use.
chris wrote:I am happy to involved in a new design, but as regards aesthetics there are only certain people I am prepared to work with.
joachim wrote:The visual look of the site and what it runs on are two completely separate things. (I feel I am repeating myself here.)
We can make Drupal look like anything.
ChaoticReality wrote:That's not very Forest, is it?
joachim wrote:And also repeating: there is little point in producing a design until you know what you're designing.
joachim wrote:Here are my suggestions; please refine and ponder your own for Saturday:
chris wrote:ChaoticReality wrote:That's not very Forest, is it?
is also incorrect, when magdas doing her mural do you tell her to use a bigger paintbrush?
ChaoticReality wrote:If that was the way things were done, the current web-team could just say they don't like your ideas and refuse to work with you. How would you react to that? Not well, I'd venture.
Jane wrote:ChaoticReality wrote:If that was the way things were done, the current web-team could just say they don't like your ideas and refuse to work with you. How would you react to that? Not well, I'd venture.
now now, please no more snarky snarky. let's save all this for the meeting. no more personal attacks please.
chris wrote:I am not into compromising over the aesthetic design of the website.
I am happy to involved in a new design, but as regards aesthetics there are only certain people I am prepared to work with.
chris wrote:I do not think it is on to chop peoples designs up and implement them ad-hoc
chris wrote:i will not learn to code drupal. and i am not interested in a aesthetically compromised website.
chris wrote:i just want it to be good, if you guys can do that in an acceptable time scale then thats fine.
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